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Re: Pavyzdys - Sonata - 04-11-2009

Tomas Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Dita Wrote:
Smalsutis Wrote:
Quote:=Be to, visai galimas daiktas, subyrėjus dabartinei IFBB-EFBB korporacijai-federacijai, daugelis jų šalių narių, o Azijos ir Arabų šalių visas regionas, taps WFF-WBBF federacijos nariais
Atrodo, tai galutinis jūsų (daubaro) tikslas :wink:
Apie kokius čia šiauliečius šnekat? Gal plačiau :roll:

Šiaulietis - paskalų nešiojimo ir "fantazijų" klasikas (čia tarp kitko).
O toliau, atleisk, diskusijoms su tamsta nėra laiko.
Gal kas kitas galės su tamsta paliežuvauti...?
PVZ. yra forumas "GAIDELIAI.LT"...


Patarimas: pažiūrėkit į veidrodį, patys esate GAIDELIAI...

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o man patinka.gaideliai,visteles.grazu.


- mindaugas - 04-12-2009

Romualdas Wrote:
WFF secretary service Wrote:
wff_edita Wrote:
wff_edita Wrote:Šiandien gavome laišką iš POLO ČIUA (Paul Chua), antro pagal rangą žmogaus tarptautinėje IFBB veikloje.
Jis kelia IFBB teisinio egzistavimo legalumo klausimą.
Pasak jo, oficialiai registruota komercinė firma, kuri net vadinasi kitu vardu, pristatoma visuomenei kaip tarptautinė IFBB federacija.
IFBB konstitucija (įstatai), kurie paviešinti oficialiame IFBB interneto puslapyje, visai kiti, negu yra iš tikro.
IFBB – tai tik komercinė firma ir nieko daugiau.
P.ČIUA kaltina RAFAELĮ SANTOCHĄ, kad šis vengia viešo klausimo svarstymo, neatsako į oficialiai pateiktus juridinius ir finansinius klausimus.
Tačiau tikri IFBB patriotai eis iki galo ir parodys viską taip, kaip yra iš tikro.
Tam jau kreiptasi į Ispanijos ir Kanados policiją, išsiųsti dokumentai į WADA asociaciją.

DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE ABBF
I FEEL IT IS MY DUTY TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND AS TO WHY THE "IFBB" IS ACTING DESPERATELY TO REMOVE ME AND TO SUSPEND ALL OUR ABBF EXECUTIVE MEMBERS FOR ONE YEAR AS PER THE CIRCULAR LETTER SENT BY ADEL FAHIM, "EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO THE IFBB PRESIDENT" A COPY OF WHICH I HAVE WITH ME WRITTEN IN ARABIC AND TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH.
ANOTHER LETTER WAS SENT BY WILLIAM TIERNEY AS WELL.
RAFAEL AVOIDED IN SENDING THIS EMAIL AS HE KNOW THE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES INVOLVED.
HE CANNOT SIMPLY SUSPEND A CONTINENTAL FEDERATION, SINCE THEIR HOUSE IS NOT IN ORDER AND THEY HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER US, WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THEM.
ABBF UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED BY MANY ASIAN COUNTRIES, AND IF A COMMITTEE IS FORMED BY RAFAEL'S GROUP WE WILL ELIMINATE THEM.
WE HAVE SPOKEN TO OUR LAWYERS IN LONDON AND THEY HAVE ASKED US TO CONTINUE WITH OUR WORK, AND IF RAFAEL AND HIS GROUP DISTURB US WE WILL TAKE LEGAL ACTION, THEY CANNOT DICTATATE AS WE HAD ALREADY PROCEEDED WITH OUR LEGAL PROCEEDINGS LAST MONTH.
THERE WAS NO NATURAL JUSTICE AND NO FAIR HEARING GIVEN TO ALL OF US.
IN THIS DEMOCRATIC AND CIVILISED WORLD NO INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION WILL SUSPEND A CONTINENTAL FEDERATION OR ITS EXECUTIVE MEMBERS WITHOUT A FAIR HEARING.
THEY SUSPENDED US BECAUSE OF THE 2005 DOPING CASES.
WE DID SUSPEND ALL THE ATHLETES AND EXCEPT FOR THE 3 HONGKONG ATHLETES THEIR SUSPENSION WERE REDUCED FROM 2 YEARS TO A YEAR WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE LATE BEN WEIDER AND THE IFBB. WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE LATE BEN WEIDER TO PROVE. IFBB ALSO REDUCED THE SUSPENSION OF 2 ATHLETES FROM QATAR BY ACCEPTING US$10,000 FOR EACH OFFENCE FROM 2 YEARS TO 8 MONTHS. I HAVE ALL THE PAPERS WITH ME TO SHOW PROOF.
ABBF WILL NOT BE THE SERVANT OF THE "IFBB" NO MATTER WHAT, WE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR DUTY AND ACTIVITIES AS USUAL AND WE WILL ORGANISE OUR CHAMPIONSHIPS ON OUR OWN TO PROMOTE THIS SPORT.
I WOULD CALL UPON YOU TO STAND STRONG AND DO NOT GIVE WAY TO PRESSURE BECAUSE THIS "IFBB GROUP" IS STILL IN LIMBO BETWEEN HEAVEN AND HELL, AND THEY HAVE NOT PICKED THE COURAGE TO REPLY THE EMAIL WHICH MR. AXEL BAUER SENT TO THEM.
WHY?
THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE ACCOUNTS OF THE IFBB.
AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE IFBB CORPORATION IS NOT THE SAME AS PUBLISHED IN THEIR WEBSITE???
BE BRAVE AND STAND TALL AGAINST THEIR THREATS AND SUSPENSIONS ..
WE CANNOT BE COWED AROUND.
PLEASE READ THE LETTER SHOWN BELOW AND DIGEST SO THAT YOU WILL KNOW THE ACTUAL REASON WHY MR. RAFAEL SANTONJA IS NOT ANSWERING?
THE IFBB WAS REGISTERED UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME AND ALSO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE IFBB AND THE REGISTERED CORPORATIONS ARE NOT THE SAME.
THIS IS A BUSINESS CORPORATION.
RAFAEL IS SILENCING ME BECAUSE HE IS AFRAID THAT AT THE CONGRESS I WILL CHALLENGE HIM AND HE FEEL THAT BY SUSPENDING ALL MEMBERS OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMIT TE OF THE ABBF , HE CAN DO AS AS HE WISH, NOBODY TO QUESTION HIM.
IF HE IS A BRAVE MAN, HE SHOULD NOT USE THIS DIRTY TACTIC TO SUSPEND ME AND THE ABBF.
THE EXCUSE OF DOPING MATTERS IS A PRETEXT, AND WE WILL WRITE TO WADA AND CHECK IF THIS IS TRUE OR FALSE. IT WAS THE IFFB THAT SET THE PRECEDENT OF REDUCING SUSPENSIONS, AND WE DID WITH THE CONSENT OF THE THE LATE IFBB PRESIDENT AND ALSO RAFAEL AND PAMELA WERE INFORMED. WHY THEY DID NOT OBJECT AT THAT TIME, THEY WENT ALONG WITH THE DECISION WHICH WAS MADE BY BEN.
MORE DOCUMENTS WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU SOON.
WE HAVE SOLID EVIDENCES
IF YOU RECEIVE ANY EMAIL OR LETTER FROM THE" IFBB" PLEASE IGNORE THEM AND CONTACT THE ABBF SECRETARY-GENERAL FOR CLARIFICATION BEFORE YOU REPLY THEM. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BE UNITED AND STRONG.
IF YOUR OLYMPIC COMMITTEE OR ANY DEPARTMENTS WERE TO CALL YOU FOR EXPLANATIONS, PLEASE SHOW THEM THESE EMAILS AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THE "IFBB" LEGAL STATUS IS IN QUESTION?
AND THEIR FINANCIAL PROBLEM IS IN A MESS.
PRINT OUT ALL THE DOCUMENTS WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN RECEIVING ABOUT THE IFBB LATELY AND HAND OVER TO THEM.
OUR PRESIDENT MR. OSAMA ALSHAFAR HAVE ASKED ME TO TELL YOU THAT WE WILL FIGHT ON WITH THIS DESTRUCTIVE GROUP AND WILL NOT RETREAT.
LONG LIVE ASI
PAUL CHUA
SECRETARY-GENERAL/TREASURER - ABBF


PLEASE READ THE ONES WHICH I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED PRINT...WHERE THE MONEY OF THE IFBB GONE TO??? MYSTERY NEED TO BE SOLVED


SUVESKIME REZULTATUS
Dar kartą norime pabrėžti faktą, kad šiandien tik pasaulinės WFF ir WBBF federacijos yra vienintelės pasaulyje tarptautinės nesiekiančios pelno sporto organizacijos (kalbame apie fitnesą ir kultūrizmą).
Negi manote, kad yra įmanomas bet koks oficialus bendravimas tarp tarptautinių organizacijų, kaip IOC, WADA, GAISF ir pan. su save vadinančiomis „tarptautinėmis federacijomis ar asociacijomis“, kurios iš tikro juridiškai yra privačios korporacijos, komercinės firmos (tokių dauguma pasaulyje), ar sporto klubai (kaip NABBA), ar net išvis grupelė privačių žmonių (fizinių asmenų), save įvardinančių „tarptautine federacija“?
Juridinė ESMĖ yra tai, o visa kita seka tik po to (jei išvis seka).

niekur nedingsi ir nepasislepsi :twisted:

tema idomi 8)


Re: Pavyzdys - knysliuke23 - 04-12-2009

Tomas Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Dita Wrote:
Smalsutis Wrote:
Quote:=Be to, visai galimas daiktas, subyrėjus dabartinei IFBB-EFBB korporacijai-federacijai, daugelis jų šalių narių, o Azijos ir Arabų šalių visas regionas, taps WFF-WBBF federacijos nariais
Atrodo, tai galutinis jūsų (daubaro) tikslas :wink:
Apie kokius čia šiauliečius šnekat? Gal plačiau :roll:

Šiaulietis - paskalų nešiojimo ir "fantazijų" klasikas (čia tarp kitko).
O toliau, atleisk, diskusijoms su tamsta nėra laiko.
Gal kas kitas galės su tamsta paliežuvauti...?
PVZ. yra forumas "GAIDELIAI.LT"...


Patarimas: pažiūrėkit į veidrodį, patys esate GAIDELIAI...

o ko cia pykti? juk yra btoks forumas - gaidelai.lt...

jei skaityt moki - paaukok kelias sekundes brangaus laiko ir pasiziurek koks tikrasis forumo pavadinimas


Re: Pavyzdys - Tomas - 04-12-2009

knysliuke23 Wrote:
Tomas Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Dita Wrote:
Smalsutis Wrote:
Quote:=Be to, visai galimas daiktas, subyrėjus dabartinei IFBB-EFBB korporacijai-federacijai, daugelis jų šalių narių, o Azijos ir Arabų šalių visas regionas, taps WFF-WBBF federacijos nariais
Atrodo, tai galutinis jūsų (daubaro) tikslas :wink:
Apie kokius čia šiauliečius šnekat? Gal plačiau :roll:

Šiaulietis - paskalų nešiojimo ir "fantazijų" klasikas (čia tarp kitko).
O toliau, atleisk, diskusijoms su tamsta nėra laiko.
Gal kas kitas galės su tamsta paliežuvauti...?
PVZ. yra forumas "GAIDELIAI.LT"...


Patarimas: pažiūrėkit į veidrodį, patys esate GAIDELIAI...

o ko cia pykti? juk yra btoks forumas - gaidelai.lt...

jei skaityt moki - paaukok kelias sekundes brangaus laiko ir pasiziurek koks tikrasis forumo pavadinimas

man rodos, ten yra dar ir kitu pauksciu 8)


- Vilija - 04-12-2009

Dita Wrote:JUODI DARBELIAI
Kažkada kalbėjome su IFBB pareigūnu ir šis papasakojo tokią istoriją.
IFBB pasaulio mėgėjų čempionate „pagavo“ naudojus dopingą 28 finalininkus iš 35 dalyvių (7 kategorijos po 5 dalyvius). Tuomet tarp „pakliuvusių“ buvo visa Rusijos rinktinė (8 žmonės) ir vienas lietuvis.
Ankstų Šv. Kalėdų rytą mūsų vadovas sulaukė skambučio iš JAV. Skambino gerbiama Pamela ir švelniai reikalavo, kad 2000 dolerių bauda už Lietuvos sportininką būtų tuojau pat sumokėta.
Tuomet tai atrodė keistoka, vis tik Kalėdų rytas...
Tačiau dabar aišku, kad čia nieko stebėtino: normalus IFBB komercinės firmos biznis.
Kuo daugiau sportininkų „pagaus“, tuo daugiau firma „uždirbs“.
IFBB firma skubėjo sau Kalėdoms pasidaryti „dovanėlę“...
Dar labiau nestebina tai, kad (pagal nesenai IFBB finansininko paviešintus dokumentus) už 10 000 dolerių IFBB komersantai sutinka apgauti WADA ir „nusikaltėlio“ dviejų metų diskvalifikaciją sumažinti iki kelių mėnesių.
Biznis ir tiek...

ziuresim kaip bus toliau su frankais. gal dopingo gaudymas atpigs?


Re: Pavyzdys - knysliuke23 - 04-12-2009

Tomas Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Tomas Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Dita Wrote:
Smalsutis Wrote:
Quote:=Be to, visai galimas daiktas, subyrėjus dabartinei IFBB-EFBB korporacijai-federacijai, daugelis jų šalių narių, o Azijos ir Arabų šalių visas regionas, taps WFF-WBBF federacijos nariais
Atrodo, tai galutinis jūsų (daubaro) tikslas :wink:
Apie kokius čia šiauliečius šnekat? Gal plačiau :roll:

Šiaulietis - paskalų nešiojimo ir "fantazijų" klasikas (čia tarp kitko).
O toliau, atleisk, diskusijoms su tamsta nėra laiko.
Gal kas kitas galės su tamsta paliežuvauti...?
PVZ. yra forumas "GAIDELIAI.LT"...


Patarimas: pažiūrėkit į veidrodį, patys esate GAIDELIAI...

o ko cia pykti? juk yra btoks forumas - gaidelai.lt...

jei skaityt moki - paaukok kelias sekundes brangaus laiko ir pasiziurek koks tikrasis forumo pavadinimas

man rodos, ten yra dar ir kitu pauksciu 8)


ne viščiukams vištą mokyt.


Re: Pavyzdys - Marius - 04-12-2009

knysliuke23 Wrote:
Tomas Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Tomas Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Dita Wrote:
Smalsutis Wrote:
Quote:=Be to, visai galimas daiktas, subyrėjus dabartinei IFBB-EFBB korporacijai-federacijai, daugelis jų šalių narių, o Azijos ir Arabų šalių visas regionas, taps WFF-WBBF federacijos nariais
Atrodo, tai galutinis jūsų (daubaro) tikslas :wink:
Apie kokius čia šiauliečius šnekat? Gal plačiau :roll:

Šiaulietis - paskalų nešiojimo ir "fantazijų" klasikas (čia tarp kitko).
O toliau, atleisk, diskusijoms su tamsta nėra laiko.
Gal kas kitas galės su tamsta paliežuvauti...?
PVZ. yra forumas "GAIDELIAI.LT"...


Patarimas: pažiūrėkit į veidrodį, patys esate GAIDELIAI...

o ko cia pykti? juk yra btoks forumas - gaidelai.lt...

jei skaityt moki - paaukok kelias sekundes brangaus laiko ir pasiziurek koks tikrasis forumo pavadinimas

man rodos, ten yra dar ir kitu pauksciu 8)


ne viščiukams vištą mokyt.

anyksciu vistos viska ir taip zino...


- Ronas - 04-12-2009

Vilija Wrote:
Dita Wrote:JUODI DARBELIAI
Kažkada kalbėjome su IFBB pareigūnu ir šis papasakojo tokią istoriją.
IFBB pasaulio mėgėjų čempionate „pagavo“ naudojus dopingą 28 finalininkus iš 35 dalyvių (7 kategorijos po 5 dalyvius). Tuomet tarp „pakliuvusių“ buvo visa Rusijos rinktinė (8 žmonės) ir vienas lietuvis.
Ankstų Šv. Kalėdų rytą mūsų vadovas sulaukė skambučio iš JAV. Skambino gerbiama Pamela ir švelniai reikalavo, kad 2000 dolerių bauda už Lietuvos sportininką būtų tuojau pat sumokėta.
Tuomet tai atrodė keistoka, vis tik Kalėdų rytas...
Tačiau dabar aišku, kad čia nieko stebėtino: normalus IFBB komercinės firmos biznis.
Kuo daugiau sportininkų „pagaus“, tuo daugiau firma „uždirbs“.
IFBB firma skubėjo sau Kalėdoms pasidaryti „dovanėlę“...
Dar labiau nestebina tai, kad (pagal nesenai IFBB finansininko paviešintus dokumentus) už 10 000 dolerių IFBB komersantai sutinka apgauti WADA ir „nusikaltėlio“ dviejų metų diskvalifikaciją sumažinti iki kelių mėnesių.
Biznis ir tiek...

ziuresim kaip bus toliau su frankais. gal dopingo gaudymas atpigs?

nemanau :?


Re: Pavyzdys - Ronas - 04-12-2009

Marius Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Tomas Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Tomas Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Dita Wrote:
Smalsutis Wrote:
Quote:=Be to, visai galimas daiktas, subyrėjus dabartinei IFBB-EFBB korporacijai-federacijai, daugelis jų šalių narių, o Azijos ir Arabų šalių visas regionas, taps WFF-WBBF federacijos nariais
Atrodo, tai galutinis jūsų (daubaro) tikslas :wink:
Apie kokius čia šiauliečius šnekat? Gal plačiau :roll:

Šiaulietis - paskalų nešiojimo ir "fantazijų" klasikas (čia tarp kitko).
O toliau, atleisk, diskusijoms su tamsta nėra laiko.
Gal kas kitas galės su tamsta paliežuvauti...?
PVZ. yra forumas "GAIDELIAI.LT"...


Patarimas: pažiūrėkit į veidrodį, patys esate GAIDELIAI...

o ko cia pykti? juk yra btoks forumas - gaidelai.lt...

jei skaityt moki - paaukok kelias sekundes brangaus laiko ir pasiziurek koks tikrasis forumo pavadinimas

man rodos, ten yra dar ir kitu pauksciu 8)


ne viščiukams vištą mokyt.

anyksciu vistos viska ir taip zino...

nesuprantu, ko taip pergyvenat, gi niekas nesako kad ten gaidziu forumas?


Re: IFBB/EFBB finansinės aferos - Denis - 04-12-2009

WFF secretary service Wrote:Šiandien gavome laišką iš IFBB/EFBB finansų prižiūrėtojo.
Tai tikra BOMBA Rafaeliui Santochai ir pačiai organizacijai.
Nėra laiko versti, bet tai gali būti ir organizacijos GALAS...




--- On Fri, 3/27/09, Fair Play <ifbbeurope@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Fair Play <ifbbeurope@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: IFBB/EBFF/Asociacion Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFIFF)/Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFEFF)
To: andre.wouters1@scarlet.be
Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 1:31 AM





--- On Thu, 26/3/09, lawfirm.bauer <lawfirm.bauer@chello.at> wrote:


From: lawfirm.bauer <lawfirm.bauer@chello.at>
Subject: IFBB/EBFF/Asociacion Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFIFF)/Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFEFF)
To: p.filleborn@neostrada.pl, albert@busek.de, dubinin@fbfr.ru, wanda.tierney@ukonline.co.uk, abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg, spbbf@slingshot.co.nz, pkagan@ifbbprofessionalleague.com, tblinn@ifbbpro.com, efbb@tedata...net.eg, ifbbcaribbean@msn.com, eweider@weiderpub.com, aquilesdecesare@hotmail.com, ehderose@terra.com.br, pcgraham@ozemail.com.au, bettomondello@libero.it
Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 9:59 PM

Dr. Rafael Santonja
IFBB President
Calle Jaén, N0. 8
28020 Madrid
SPANIEN



20th March 2009/Mag.B/KR

EBFF



Reference: IFBB/EBFF/Asociacion Federacion Internacional de
Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFIFF)/Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFEFF)


Dear Rafael,
Dear Jose,

I am responding to your various emails of 17th March, 14th March (17:42 hours; 17:49 hours), 10th March and 20th Februar. The information you are providing in these emails is far from being satisfactory. On the contrary it is becoming more and more obvious, that there is a huge problem with legal status, financial management, tax declarations and reliability of the officers in charge of the financial management of IFBB and EBFF.

Although I have asked you again in my email of 18th February 2009 (sent on 3rd March 2009) the following documents

- all bank statements of EBFF - accounts 2007/2008
- all bank statements of IFBB – accounts 2007/2008
- spread sheet of income/expenditures of EBFF 2007/2008
- spread sheet of income/expenditures IFBB 2007/2008
- all signed sponsorship contracts of EBFF and IFBB with sponsors
- all contracts pertaining to “professional services” mentioned in the IFBB financial report to the Congress of the IFBB in Manama 2008
- all signed Contracts between EBFF and IFBB pertaining to intellectual property rights (TV – broadcast agreements, etc.)
- all documents pertaining to the protection of the intellectual property rights for IFBB and EBFF name and logo
- documents that prove, that EBFF and IFBB have a tax exempt status
- documents that prove, that the IFBB website is owned by the IFBB
- list of countries that have already applied for membership in Asociacion - Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo y Fitness by signing the
- “Certificate of Membership to the IFBB” allegedly prepared by Javier Sanchez

still have not been sent to me in order to control the financial management of the Federations EBFF and IFBB. This leads me to believe, that you want to conceal everything and that the claim, that “the accounts with bank conciliations and all the details are fully available for you; and Jose is at your disposal for any detailed double check on every issue” (your email of 10th march 2009, 20:04 hours, 2nd page 5th paragraph from the bottom) is an untruthful statement.

1. International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. (IFBB Inc...):
In your email of 10th march 2009 you refer to Mr. Luc Audet, who - allegedly – claims, that all monies (of IFBB Inc.) “were sent to Dr. Santonja, to my knowledge”.
So that means that the money from IFBB Inc. went to your private account? If that is true, that is very problematic. If transacted in a lawful way any money donated from IFBB Inc. to its successors should be transferred to a fiduciary account/trust account held for a new legal body to be created for the purpose of becoming the legal successor of International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. Please send me the banking details (name and address of the bank, account number, owner of the account), the money from International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. was transferred to (allegedly this was your account?).

International Federation of Bodybuilder Inc. being a non-for-profit organisation makes it appear very strange, that before its alleged dissolution properties were taken out and transferred into the property of another organisation – like it allegedly happened in 2005 with the segregation of assets of amateur and professional activities within the IFBB. According to the Joint Declaration it was definitely not the intention to donate the funds of International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. to Dr. Rafael Santonja, let alone the fact, that these “agreements” were negotiated and concluded without involving most of the members of the IFBB Executive Council.

Was the Canadian tax revenue system informed about these agreements (especially the documents you sent me with your fax of 26th January 2007 and the Joint Declaration of July 2007)?

2. Asociacion - Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo y Fitness (AFIFF):
In your email of 14th March 2009 (17:42 hours) you write:
“There is as well a bank account on behalf of the Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo y Fitness (IFBB).”

If that information is correct, that means, that this account was opened behind my back? There was never an Executive Council or Congress Meeting of Asociacion Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFIFF).

Who made the decision to have a bank account and why I was not informed?

Send me please the opening documents of this account and all bank statements so far.
Whose money is on this account?

If it is an account of AFIFF, this corporation owns the money that is on this account and not the IFBB as per Constitution 2008 – Edition with the Executive Council elected on 29th October 2006!!!

3. Asociacion - Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo y Fitness (AFEFF):
The same situation applies for EBFF. The Spanish corporation founded behind the back of most EBFF Executive Council members and the EBFF Congress in 2008 (Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness - AFEFF) has no right to collect money for the EBFF that was founded 2002 in Minsk!

When you mentioned, that EBFF accounts shall be audited by two members of the Congress, how can that apply to an account of a different organisation nobody knew about – except you, William Tierney, Jose Ramos and Philippe Lefelle – AFEFF. It will be interesting to see, what documents Ivano Bianchi and Walter van den Branden have checked and if the claim of Jose, that they found, that the accounts are correct and in full compliance with the international regulations for accounting, is true.

4. Secret foundation of AFEFF:
Why it was concealed at the Executive Council and Congress meetings in Playa D’Aro in May 2008, that the corporation AFEFF was founded? If the foundation of this corporation was made with the best intentions, why then the EBFF Executive Council and Congress were not informed? Nothing about the foundation of that corporation was mentioned in the President’s report.

In your email of 14th March 2009 you write “EBFF has an opened account in its name since January 2003; attached you have a copy of the first bank statement from that time...”

This email did not contain any attachment!! I have not received this bank statement!!

If it is true, that in Spain a bank account can be opened on an association as soon as the statutes (bylaws) are presented, did you inform the bank later on, that a registration with the initial bylaws could not be achieved?

Why was this information withheld to EBFF Executive Council and EBFF Congress members?

I am legal adviser of EBFF since the foundation of this federation and have never heard about any problems with registration and/or bank accounts.

5. Further measures:
I consider it necessary to extent the investigation pertaining to financial management to the period from the foundation of the EBFF at the Congress in Minsk up to this day and propose to immediately strike a committee for the purpose of analysing the legal, fiscal and financial situation of the EBFF since its foundation and report its findings and recommendations as soon as possible to the EBFF Executive Council and Congress.


6. Tax situation:
Did the EBFF /IFBB/AFIFF/AFEFF ever file tax declarations? I am not talking only about value added tax (VAT) but about income and/or corporation taxes!

Who is responsible by Spanish law to file tax declarations for AFIFF and AFEFF?

Talking about the “tax-exempt-status” of EBFF and IFBB (do you mean AFIFF and AFEFF?) I found it quite amusing, that Jose sent me a declaration of his own, that he confirms, that both organisations don’t have to pay value added tax. I would be more relaxed, if the Spanish tax revenue system can issue such a document.

As far as I know nobody in the IFBB/EBFF ever saw a detailed list of income and expenditures connected with a clear documentation referencing every single position of income and expenditures. I doubt that such a documentation exists, because otherwise I would see no reason, why you would not have forwarded me at least the excel spreadsheets of such documentations. With computer generated accounting it is very easy to send such accounting quickly by email or fax to anyone who requests information about the accounting and fiscal management of a corporation. When you assert that you have done all that in a perfect way, why you don’t send me these documents and lists of income/expenditures so I can check myself?

When you write in your email of 14th march 2009, that there is no financial connection between IFBB and EBFF, this is obviously wrong, because you concede that sponsorship money and costs for office expenditures, secretary etc. is shared between IFBB and EBFF.

It is both funny and strange, that you do not even mention the accounts of EBFF and IFBB (bank name/account number), you only mentioned, that the accounts “are known to members”. If the accounts of IFBB and EBFF are run under the names of AFIFF and AFEFF these are different organisations with different members, a different Executive Council and a different Constitution.

Your “explanations” are full of contradictions and confusions.

Attached please find the 3 documents pertaining to “Money flow in the IFBB” and “Money flow in the EBFF”, containing the different persons/organisations possibly involved in the money flow.

Will you please be so kind as to explain which way the money goes from IFBB/EBFF members and IFBB/EBFF contractual partners (sponsors, licensees, organisers) to IFBB as per Constitution 2008 – edition with Executive Council elected on 29th October 2006, EBFF, AFIFF, AFEFF, IFBB Canada, Dr. Rafael Santonja (and/or companies owned and/or controlled by him), Priscila Arce and any other IFBB and/or EBFF officials?

7. website www.ifbb.com:
I know that “Network Solutions LLC” is not the “owner” of the IFBB website, but the domain registrar. Fact is, that from the registration of the website it is not possible to identify who the owner of the website is. Therefore I am asking you again: who is the owner of this website?

- IFBB Canada
- AFIFF
- IFBB as per Constitution 2008 – edition with Executive Council elected 29th October 2006
- other legal entity

I would like to see documentary proof of the ownership of this website. In which way the name and logo of the IFBB are protected? Who owns the name and the logo of the IFBB?

- Ben Weider´s Heirs
- IFBB Canada
- AFIFF
- IFBB as per Constitution 2008 – edition with Executive Council elected 29th October 2006 as group without official registration
- other legal entity

Which intellectual property rights pertaining to IFBB and EBFF have you registered in your own name or in the name of one of your companies? Can you send me a detailed list of the properties/assets of

- AFIFF
- AFEFF
- IFBB Canada

8. Dr. Rafael Santonja and his companies – sponsor of EBFF/IFBB:
You are writing, your companies are providing money, services and voluntary work at any moment (your email of 17th February 2009). Can you please give me documentary proof, that you or your companies had donated money to EBFF/IFBB? To be precise in the EBFF in 2007 according to the financial report of Jose Ramos we had income from sponsors in an amount of € 37.129,00. How much from this money was sponsored by your companies? On the other side of the coin in the same year EBFF had expenses for administration and accounting service of € 3.021,00, flight tickets and hotels of € 30.513,48, bank expenses of € 1.517,00, printing and publicity presents, DVD reproduction costs of € 13.127,96, costs for professional services, EBFF webpage and EBFF magazine € 25.312,00, costs for office equipment, stationary, post expenses, informatic equipment and so on of € 2.259,00 etc. How much money from the expenses went directly or indirectly from the EBFF/IFBB back to your companies?

Was the production of the EBFF magazine done by your company?

Did your company receive money for that? If yes, how much and when?

According to the 2008 EBFF financial report you want to charge the EBFF backdated to 1st January 2008 with € 6.000,00 for office, € 6.000,00 for telephone, € 24.300,00 for salaries, € 7.700,00 for other expenses and € 5.000,00 for printing materials as well as € 26.100,00 for hotels and trips?

That looks as if not you are sponsoring EBFF, but quite contrary EBFF is sponsoring you!

Not only you or your companies have expenses when it comes to provide services for EBFF/IFBB. Most working Executive Council members also have telephone costs, office costs, need to pay salaries to employees who provide work for IFBB/EBFF – they shall get nothing?

In the IFBB financial report of the year 2007 among the income a sponsorship (hardcore) in an amount of USD 100.680,87 was mentioned as IFBB income. When was this money paid and into which account?

9. Personal attacks:
Your defence strategy – ordering other executives to write to me nasty emails in order to stop me from bringing “light into the darkness” are counter productive. I know, that some of the executives did not even write these emails by themselves and called me after sending them to apologize explaining what kind of pressure/sweet talking from your side was done to get these emails sent. These problems cannot be solved with hatred and emotions. These problems have to be dealt with objectively with consideration of all facts. Secret meetings, hiding and concealing as well as inciting other officials to write to me in a hostile manner, contribute nothing to solve this unpleasant situation. These desperate actions only confirm the feeling that you deem every measure justified that prevents this bogus game to be revealed.

Kind regards



Axel

encls.
<<.....>> <<...>> <<...>>

ÖABBV-IFBB/Austria
Mag. Axel Bauer
Präsident
Favoritenstrasse 26/6
1040 Wien
Tel.: +43 1/ 710 54 99-0
Fax +43 1/ 710 54 99-9
E-Mail: lawfirm.bauer@chello.at

kazi kaip cia bus? :roll:


Re: Pavyzdys - Stepas - 04-12-2009

Ronas Wrote:
Marius Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Tomas Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Tomas Wrote:
knysliuke23 Wrote:
Dita Wrote:
Smalsutis Wrote:
Quote:=Be to, visai galimas daiktas, subyrėjus dabartinei IFBB-EFBB korporacijai-federacijai, daugelis jų šalių narių, o Azijos ir Arabų šalių visas regionas, taps WFF-WBBF federacijos nariais
Atrodo, tai galutinis jūsų (daubaro) tikslas :wink:
Apie kokius čia šiauliečius šnekat? Gal plačiau :roll:

Šiaulietis - paskalų nešiojimo ir "fantazijų" klasikas (čia tarp kitko).
O toliau, atleisk, diskusijoms su tamsta nėra laiko.
Gal kas kitas galės su tamsta paliežuvauti...?
PVZ. yra forumas "GAIDELIAI.LT"...


Patarimas: pažiūrėkit į veidrodį, patys esate GAIDELIAI...

o ko cia pykti? juk yra btoks forumas - gaidelai.lt...

jei skaityt moki - paaukok kelias sekundes brangaus laiko ir pasiziurek koks tikrasis forumo pavadinimas

man rodos, ten yra dar ir kitu pauksciu 8)


ne viščiukams vištą mokyt.

anyksciu vistos viska ir taip zino...

nesuprantu, ko taip pergyvenat, gi niekas nesako kad ten gaidziu forumas?

o vienas musu tautietis ifbb cempionas viename forume savo nuotraukelemis apsigaidino..


Re: IFBB/EFBB finansinės aferos - laima - 04-12-2009

Denis Wrote:
WFF secretary service Wrote:Šiandien gavome laišką iš IFBB/EFBB finansų prižiūrėtojo.
Tai tikra BOMBA Rafaeliui Santochai ir pačiai organizacijai.
Nėra laiko versti, bet tai gali būti ir organizacijos GALAS...




--- On Fri, 3/27/09, Fair Play <ifbbeurope@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Fair Play <ifbbeurope@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: IFBB/EBFF/Asociacion Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFIFF)/Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFEFF)
To: andre.wouters1@scarlet.be
Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 1:31 AM





--- On Thu, 26/3/09, lawfirm.bauer <lawfirm.bauer@chello.at> wrote:


From: lawfirm.bauer <lawfirm.bauer@chello.at>
Subject: IFBB/EBFF/Asociacion Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFIFF)/Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFEFF)
To: p.filleborn@neostrada.pl, albert@busek.de, dubinin@fbfr.ru, wanda.tierney@ukonline.co.uk, abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg, spbbf@slingshot.co.nz, pkagan@ifbbprofessionalleague.com, tblinn@ifbbpro.com, efbb@tedata...net.eg, ifbbcaribbean@msn.com, eweider@weiderpub.com, aquilesdecesare@hotmail.com, ehderose@terra.com.br, pcgraham@ozemail.com.au, bettomondello@libero.it
Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 9:59 PM

Dr. Rafael Santonja
IFBB President
Calle Jaén, N0. 8
28020 Madrid
SPANIEN



20th March 2009/Mag.B/KR

EBFF



Reference: IFBB/EBFF/Asociacion Federacion Internacional de
Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFIFF)/Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFEFF)


Dear Rafael,
Dear Jose,

I am responding to your various emails of 17th March, 14th March (17:42 hours; 17:49 hours), 10th March and 20th Februar. The information you are providing in these emails is far from being satisfactory. On the contrary it is becoming more and more obvious, that there is a huge problem with legal status, financial management, tax declarations and reliability of the officers in charge of the financial management of IFBB and EBFF.

Although I have asked you again in my email of 18th February 2009 (sent on 3rd March 2009) the following documents

- all bank statements of EBFF - accounts 2007/2008
- all bank statements of IFBB – accounts 2007/2008
- spread sheet of income/expenditures of EBFF 2007/2008
- spread sheet of income/expenditures IFBB 2007/2008
- all signed sponsorship contracts of EBFF and IFBB with sponsors
- all contracts pertaining to “professional services” mentioned in the IFBB financial report to the Congress of the IFBB in Manama 2008
- all signed Contracts between EBFF and IFBB pertaining to intellectual property rights (TV – broadcast agreements, etc.)
- all documents pertaining to the protection of the intellectual property rights for IFBB and EBFF name and logo
- documents that prove, that EBFF and IFBB have a tax exempt status
- documents that prove, that the IFBB website is owned by the IFBB
- list of countries that have already applied for membership in Asociacion - Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo y Fitness by signing the
- “Certificate of Membership to the IFBB” allegedly prepared by Javier Sanchez

still have not been sent to me in order to control the financial management of the Federations EBFF and IFBB. This leads me to believe, that you want to conceal everything and that the claim, that “the accounts with bank conciliations and all the details are fully available for you; and Jose is at your disposal for any detailed double check on every issue” (your email of 10th march 2009, 20:04 hours, 2nd page 5th paragraph from the bottom) is an untruthful statement.

1. International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. (IFBB Inc...):
In your email of 10th march 2009 you refer to Mr. Luc Audet, who - allegedly – claims, that all monies (of IFBB Inc.) “were sent to Dr. Santonja, to my knowledge”.
So that means that the money from IFBB Inc. went to your private account? If that is true, that is very problematic. If transacted in a lawful way any money donated from IFBB Inc. to its successors should be transferred to a fiduciary account/trust account held for a new legal body to be created for the purpose of becoming the legal successor of International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. Please send me the banking details (name and address of the bank, account number, owner of the account), the money from International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. was transferred to (allegedly this was your account?).

International Federation of Bodybuilder Inc. being a non-for-profit organisation makes it appear very strange, that before its alleged dissolution properties were taken out and transferred into the property of another organisation – like it allegedly happened in 2005 with the segregation of assets of amateur and professional activities within the IFBB. According to the Joint Declaration it was definitely not the intention to donate the funds of International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. to Dr. Rafael Santonja, let alone the fact, that these “agreements” were negotiated and concluded without involving most of the members of the IFBB Executive Council.

Was the Canadian tax revenue system informed about these agreements (especially the documents you sent me with your fax of 26th January 2007 and the Joint Declaration of July 2007)?

2. Asociacion - Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo y Fitness (AFIFF):
In your email of 14th March 2009 (17:42 hours) you write:
“There is as well a bank account on behalf of the Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo y Fitness (IFBB).”

If that information is correct, that means, that this account was opened behind my back? There was never an Executive Council or Congress Meeting of Asociacion Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFIFF).

Who made the decision to have a bank account and why I was not informed?

Send me please the opening documents of this account and all bank statements so far.
Whose money is on this account?

If it is an account of AFIFF, this corporation owns the money that is on this account and not the IFBB as per Constitution 2008 – Edition with the Executive Council elected on 29th October 2006!!!

3. Asociacion - Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo y Fitness (AFEFF):
The same situation applies for EBFF. The Spanish corporation founded behind the back of most EBFF Executive Council members and the EBFF Congress in 2008 (Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness - AFEFF) has no right to collect money for the EBFF that was founded 2002 in Minsk!

When you mentioned, that EBFF accounts shall be audited by two members of the Congress, how can that apply to an account of a different organisation nobody knew about – except you, William Tierney, Jose Ramos and Philippe Lefelle – AFEFF. It will be interesting to see, what documents Ivano Bianchi and Walter van den Branden have checked and if the claim of Jose, that they found, that the accounts are correct and in full compliance with the international regulations for accounting, is true.

4. Secret foundation of AFEFF:
Why it was concealed at the Executive Council and Congress meetings in Playa D’Aro in May 2008, that the corporation AFEFF was founded? If the foundation of this corporation was made with the best intentions, why then the EBFF Executive Council and Congress were not informed? Nothing about the foundation of that corporation was mentioned in the President’s report.

In your email of 14th March 2009 you write “EBFF has an opened account in its name since January 2003; attached you have a copy of the first bank statement from that time...”

This email did not contain any attachment!! I have not received this bank statement!!

If it is true, that in Spain a bank account can be opened on an association as soon as the statutes (bylaws) are presented, did you inform the bank later on, that a registration with the initial bylaws could not be achieved?

Why was this information withheld to EBFF Executive Council and EBFF Congress members?

I am legal adviser of EBFF since the foundation of this federation and have never heard about any problems with registration and/or bank accounts.

5. Further measures:
I consider it necessary to extent the investigation pertaining to financial management to the period from the foundation of the EBFF at the Congress in Minsk up to this day and propose to immediately strike a committee for the purpose of analysing the legal, fiscal and financial situation of the EBFF since its foundation and report its findings and recommendations as soon as possible to the EBFF Executive Council and Congress.


6. Tax situation:
Did the EBFF /IFBB/AFIFF/AFEFF ever file tax declarations? I am not talking only about value added tax (VAT) but about income and/or corporation taxes!

Who is responsible by Spanish law to file tax declarations for AFIFF and AFEFF?

Talking about the “tax-exempt-status” of EBFF and IFBB (do you mean AFIFF and AFEFF?) I found it quite amusing, that Jose sent me a declaration of his own, that he confirms, that both organisations don’t have to pay value added tax. I would be more relaxed, if the Spanish tax revenue system can issue such a document.

As far as I know nobody in the IFBB/EBFF ever saw a detailed list of income and expenditures connected with a clear documentation referencing every single position of income and expenditures. I doubt that such a documentation exists, because otherwise I would see no reason, why you would not have forwarded me at least the excel spreadsheets of such documentations. With computer generated accounting it is very easy to send such accounting quickly by email or fax to anyone who requests information about the accounting and fiscal management of a corporation. When you assert that you have done all that in a perfect way, why you don’t send me these documents and lists of income/expenditures so I can check myself?

When you write in your email of 14th march 2009, that there is no financial connection between IFBB and EBFF, this is obviously wrong, because you concede that sponsorship money and costs for office expenditures, secretary etc. is shared between IFBB and EBFF.

It is both funny and strange, that you do not even mention the accounts of EBFF and IFBB (bank name/account number), you only mentioned, that the accounts “are known to members”. If the accounts of IFBB and EBFF are run under the names of AFIFF and AFEFF these are different organisations with different members, a different Executive Council and a different Constitution.

Your “explanations” are full of contradictions and confusions.

Attached please find the 3 documents pertaining to “Money flow in the IFBB” and “Money flow in the EBFF”, containing the different persons/organisations possibly involved in the money flow.

Will you please be so kind as to explain which way the money goes from IFBB/EBFF members and IFBB/EBFF contractual partners (sponsors, licensees, organisers) to IFBB as per Constitution 2008 – edition with Executive Council elected on 29th October 2006, EBFF, AFIFF, AFEFF, IFBB Canada, Dr. Rafael Santonja (and/or companies owned and/or controlled by him), Priscila Arce and any other IFBB and/or EBFF officials?

7. website www.ifbb.com:
I know that “Network Solutions LLC” is not the “owner” of the IFBB website, but the domain registrar. Fact is, that from the registration of the website it is not possible to identify who the owner of the website is. Therefore I am asking you again: who is the owner of this website?

- IFBB Canada
- AFIFF
- IFBB as per Constitution 2008 – edition with Executive Council elected 29th October 2006
- other legal entity

I would like to see documentary proof of the ownership of this website. In which way the name and logo of the IFBB are protected? Who owns the name and the logo of the IFBB?

- Ben Weider´s Heirs
- IFBB Canada
- AFIFF
- IFBB as per Constitution 2008 – edition with Executive Council elected 29th October 2006 as group without official registration
- other legal entity

Which intellectual property rights pertaining to IFBB and EBFF have you registered in your own name or in the name of one of your companies? Can you send me a detailed list of the properties/assets of

- AFIFF
- AFEFF
- IFBB Canada

8. Dr. Rafael Santonja and his companies – sponsor of EBFF/IFBB:
You are writing, your companies are providing money, services and voluntary work at any moment (your email of 17th February 2009). Can you please give me documentary proof, that you or your companies had donated money to EBFF/IFBB? To be precise in the EBFF in 2007 according to the financial report of Jose Ramos we had income from sponsors in an amount of € 37.129,00. How much from this money was sponsored by your companies? On the other side of the coin in the same year EBFF had expenses for administration and accounting service of € 3.021,00, flight tickets and hotels of € 30.513,48, bank expenses of € 1.517,00, printing and publicity presents, DVD reproduction costs of € 13.127,96, costs for professional services, EBFF webpage and EBFF magazine € 25.312,00, costs for office equipment, stationary, post expenses, informatic equipment and so on of € 2.259,00 etc. How much money from the expenses went directly or indirectly from the EBFF/IFBB back to your companies?

Was the production of the EBFF magazine done by your company?

Did your company receive money for that? If yes, how much and when?

According to the 2008 EBFF financial report you want to charge the EBFF backdated to 1st January 2008 with € 6.000,00 for office, € 6.000,00 for telephone, € 24.300,00 for salaries, € 7.700,00 for other expenses and € 5.000,00 for printing materials as well as € 26.100,00 for hotels and trips?

That looks as if not you are sponsoring EBFF, but quite contrary EBFF is sponsoring you!

Not only you or your companies have expenses when it comes to provide services for EBFF/IFBB. Most working Executive Council members also have telephone costs, office costs, need to pay salaries to employees who provide work for IFBB/EBFF – they shall get nothing?

In the IFBB financial report of the year 2007 among the income a sponsorship (hardcore) in an amount of USD 100.680,87 was mentioned as IFBB income. When was this money paid and into which account?

9. Personal attacks:
Your defence strategy – ordering other executives to write to me nasty emails in order to stop me from bringing “light into the darkness” are counter productive. I know, that some of the executives did not even write these emails by themselves and called me after sending them to apologize explaining what kind of pressure/sweet talking from your side was done to get these emails sent. These problems cannot be solved with hatred and emotions. These problems have to be dealt with objectively with consideration of all facts. Secret meetings, hiding and concealing as well as inciting other officials to write to me in a hostile manner, contribute nothing to solve this unpleasant situation. These desperate actions only confirm the feeling that you deem every measure justified that prevents this bogus game to be revealed.

Kind regards



Axel

encls.
<<.....>> <<...>> <<...>>

ÖABBV-IFBB/Austria
Mag. Axel Bauer
Präsident
Favoritenstrasse 26/6
1040 Wien
Tel.: +43 1/ 710 54 99-0
Fax +43 1/ 710 54 99-9
E-Mail: lawfirm.bauer@chello.at

kazi kaip cia bus? :roll:

greitai bus matyt :twisted:


- DSc. Edmundas Daubaras - 04-12-2009

KOMERCINĖS FIRMOS AR SPORTO ISTORIJA??

Kadaise, kai pasaulį dalino „geležinė uždanga“, kultūrizmo ir fitneso sportas vystėsi izoliuotai abipus šių sienų. Informacijos nebuvo arba ji buvo sąmoningai slepiama.
Užjūrio komersantai savo prekybines firmas-korporacijas pavadino „pasaulinėmis federacijomis“ ir atėjo į visus kontinentus nešini „saldainiukais“ ir blizgučiais, kaip kadaise Kristupas Kolumbas atvyko į Ameriką.
Įvairių kontinentų „aborigenai“ šiuos saldainiukus prarijo nekramtydami ir aklai patikėjo komercinės firmos pasakomis.
Kad „saldainiukai“ būtų gausiai perkami ir valgomi, šios firmos sukūrė daug „Šecherezados“ pasakų, kurias pamėgo naivūs sportininkai.
Su savimi komercinės firmos atsinešė įvairiausius sporto žurnalus, kurie iš tikro buvo reklaminiai jų gaminamų prekių katalogai.
Garsūs sportininkai už „saldainiukus“ reklamavo šias komercines firmas-federacijas, o nemąstantys fanatiški propagandininkai mušėsi į krūtinę ir kvietė visus melstis menamoms vertybėms ir taip metai iš metų melo kamuolys augo.
Ilgai spėliojus ir diskutavus, paskutiniu metu, o ypač 2009 metais, pasirodė faktinė dokumentinė medžiaga, liudijanti, kad po tarptautinių sporto federacijų priedanga veikė ir iki šiol veikia kelių privačių asmenų komercinės firmos, mulkinusios mus visus, įvairių šalių valdžią, tokias tarptautines organizacijas, kaip IOC, WADA, GAISF ir t.t..
Laikas peržiūrėti apgaulingą sporto istoriją ir atstatyti kiek įmanomą teisingumą.


- Romualdas - 04-13-2009

edmundas daubaras Wrote:KOMERCINĖS FIRMOS AR SPORTO ISTORIJA??

Kadaise, kai pasaulį dalino „geležinė uždanga“, kultūrizmo ir fitneso sportas vystėsi izoliuotai abipus šių sienų. Informacijos nebuvo arba ji buvo sąmoningai slepiama.
Užjūrio komersantai savo prekybines firmas-korporacijas pavadino „pasaulinėmis federacijomis“ ir atėjo į visus kontinentus nešini „saldainiukais“ ir blizgučiais, kaip kadaise Kristupas Kolumbas atvyko į Ameriką.
Įvairių kontinentų „aborigenai“ šiuos saldainiukus prarijo nekramtydami ir aklai patikėjo komercinės firmos pasakomis.
Kad „saldainiukai“ būtų gausiai perkami ir valgomi, šios firmos sukūrė daug „Šecherezados“ pasakų, kurias pamėgo naivūs sportininkai.
Su savimi komercinės firmos atsinešė įvairiausius sporto žurnalus, kurie iš tikro buvo reklaminiai jų gaminamų prekių katalogai.
Garsūs sportininkai už „saldainiukus“ reklamavo šias komercines firmas-federacijas, o nemąstantys fanatiški propagandininkai mušėsi į krūtinę ir kvietė visus melstis menamoms vertybėms ir taip metai iš metų melo kamuolys augo.
Ilgai spėliojus ir diskutavus, paskutiniu metu, o ypač 2009 metais, pasirodė faktinė dokumentinė medžiaga, liudijanti, kad po tarptautinių sporto federacijų priedanga veikė ir iki šiol veikia kelių privačių asmenų komercinės firmos, mulkinusios mus visus, įvairių šalių valdžią, tokias tarptautines organizacijas, kaip IOC, WADA, GAISF ir t.t..
Laikas peržiūrėti apgaulingą sporto istoriją ir atstatyti kiek įmanomą teisingumą.

nelabai linksma...


- Romualdas - 04-16-2009

Romualdas Wrote:
edmundas daubaras Wrote:KOMERCINĖS FIRMOS AR SPORTO ISTORIJA??

Kadaise, kai pasaulį dalino „geležinė uždanga“, kultūrizmo ir fitneso sportas vystėsi izoliuotai abipus šių sienų. Informacijos nebuvo arba ji buvo sąmoningai slepiama.
Užjūrio komersantai savo prekybines firmas-korporacijas pavadino „pasaulinėmis federacijomis“ ir atėjo į visus kontinentus nešini „saldainiukais“ ir blizgučiais, kaip kadaise Kristupas Kolumbas atvyko į Ameriką.
Įvairių kontinentų „aborigenai“ šiuos saldainiukus prarijo nekramtydami ir aklai patikėjo komercinės firmos pasakomis.
Kad „saldainiukai“ būtų gausiai perkami ir valgomi, šios firmos sukūrė daug „Šecherezados“ pasakų, kurias pamėgo naivūs sportininkai.
Su savimi komercinės firmos atsinešė įvairiausius sporto žurnalus, kurie iš tikro buvo reklaminiai jų gaminamų prekių katalogai.
Garsūs sportininkai už „saldainiukus“ reklamavo šias komercines firmas-federacijas, o nemąstantys fanatiški propagandininkai mušėsi į krūtinę ir kvietė visus melstis menamoms vertybėms ir taip metai iš metų melo kamuolys augo.
Ilgai spėliojus ir diskutavus, paskutiniu metu, o ypač 2009 metais, pasirodė faktinė dokumentinė medžiaga, liudijanti, kad po tarptautinių sporto federacijų priedanga veikė ir iki šiol veikia kelių privačių asmenų komercinės firmos, mulkinusios mus visus, įvairių šalių valdžią, tokias tarptautines organizacijas, kaip IOC, WADA, GAISF ir t.t..
Laikas peržiūrėti apgaulingą sporto istoriją ir atstatyti kiek įmanomą teisingumą.

nelabai linksma...

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- WFF-WBBF secretary service - 04-20-2009

Savaitę buvome užimti kelionėmis, susitikimais ir WFF-WBBF varžybomis Europoje.
Per tą laiką mūsų sporto pasaulyje įvyko daug svarbių įvykių, kuriuos papasakosime kiek vėliau.
Šiandien gavome IFBB vice prezidento PAUL CHUA iš Singapūro ir Azijos šalių federacijos laiškus.
Kol kas pateikiame oficialų dokumentą ir vakarykštę publikaciją spaudoje Azijos šalims, įrodančius, kad IFBB nėra tarptautinė sporto federacija, o yra tik komercinė firma:

abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg Vice President IFBB-International PAUL CHUA sent us for publication the new press info that goes to all Asia Countries about the IFBB.
19/4/09, Mohammed AbdulRahim Abdulla <MAbdulla1@health.gov.bh> wrote::
THE IFBB CORPORATION IS EXPOSED NUDELY TO THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.


- WFF-WBBF secretary service - 04-20-2009

WFF secretary service Wrote:Savaitę buvome užimti kelionėmis, susitikimais ir WFF-WBBF varžybomis Europoje.
Per tą laiką mūsų sporto pasaulyje įvyko daug svarbių įvykių, kuriuos papasakosime kiek vėliau.
Šiandien gavome IFBB vice prezidento PAUL CHUA iš Singapūro ir Azijos šalių federacijos laiškus.
Kol kas pateikiame oficialų dokumentą ir vakarykštę publikaciją spaudoje Azijos šalims, įrodančius, kad IFBB nėra tarptautinė sporto federacija, o yra tik komercinė firma:

abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg Vice President IFBB-International PAUL CHUA sent us for publication the new press info that goes to all Asia Countries about the IFBB.
19/4/09, Mohammed AbdulRahim Abdulla <MAbdulla1@health.gov.bh> wrote::
THE IFBB CORPORATION IS EXPOSED NUDELY TO THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.



- WFF-WBBF secretary service - 04-20-2009

WFF secretary service Wrote:Savaitę buvome užimti kelionėmis, susitikimais ir WFF-WBBF varžybomis Europoje.
Per tą laiką mūsų sporto pasaulyje įvyko daug svarbių įvykių, kuriuos papasakosime kiek vėliau.
Šiandien gavome IFBB vice prezidento PAUL CHUA iš Singapūro ir Azijos šalių federacijos laiškus.
Kol kas pateikiame oficialų dokumentą ir vakarykštę publikaciją spaudoje Azijos šalims, įrodančius, kad IFBB nėra tarptautinė sporto federacija, o yra tik komercinė firma:

abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg Vice President IFBB-International PAUL CHUA sent us for publication the new press info that goes to all Asia Countries about the IFBB.
19/4/09, Mohammed AbdulRahim Abdulla <MAbdulla1@health.gov.bh> wrote::
THE IFBB CORPORATION IS EXPOSED NUDELY TO THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.



- Dita - 04-20-2009

Pasikeitimų procesas juda labai greitai ir WFF-WBBF kol kas lieka aktyvaus stebėtojo vaidmenyje.
Dabar IFBB korporacijoje-federacijoje vyks eilė svarbių teisminių-teisinių sprendimų, tad jie turi ką veikti.
Atrimiausiu metu įvyks pasaulinės WFF-WBBF federacijos prezidento EDMUNDO DAUBARO ir IFBB vice prezidento PAUL CHUA susitikimas, derinant 40 Azijos ir arabų pasaulio šalių įstojimą į WFF-WBBF federaciją.



- E.Sendriene_WFF_WBBF - 04-20-2009

Šiandien IFBB vyriausias finansininkas atsiuntė dar vieną laišką publikacijai internete.
Laiške dėstoma, kaip IFBB apgaudinėja WADA dėl dopingo, „suka“ pinigus, o pačios sportinės IFBB federacijos oficialiai neegzistuoja...:

w.tierney2@ukonline.co.uk ; pierrescat@wanadoo.fr ; interbody@home.pl ; info@dbfv.de ; dubinin@fbfr.ru ; mauricio@santonja.com ; Bob Goldman ; prof.beuker@t-online.de ; secretaria@ifbb-spain.com ; Pawel Filleborn ; efbb@tedata.net.eg ; spbbf@slingshot.co.nz ; pcgraham@ozemail.com.au ; aquilesdecesare@hotmail.com ; ifbbcaribbean@msn.com ; albert@busek.de ; tblinn@ifbbpro.com ; Pamela Kagan ; eweider@weiderpub.com ; ehderose@terra.com.br ; wanda.tierney@ukonline.co.uk ; abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg ; Rafael Santonja ; lawfirm.bauer@chello.at ; pierre.scatolini@ifbb-news.com ; afghan.olympics@att.net ; olympic@baTelco.com.bh ; noc-ban@bdonline.com ; bhutannoc@gmail.com ; bdnoc@brunet.bn ; camnoc@online.com.kh ; coc@olympic.cn ; noc-kp@co.chesin.com ; secretariat@hkolympic.org ; ioa@nde.vsnl.net.in ; tu@bit.net.id ; nociri@neda.net ; director@iraqolympic.org ; jpn-noc@joc.or.jp ; pal-noc@palnet.com ; noctkm@online.tm ; noc.yemen@y.net.ye ; info@olympic.uz ; uaenoc@emirates.net.ae ; vie@fpt.vn ; noc@olympic.tj ; joaocarrascalao@bigpond.com ; postmaster@olympicthai.or.th ; tpe.noc@msa.hinet.net ; natolcom@slt.lk ; saoc@saudiolympic.org.sa ; syriaolymp@yahoo.com ; admin@snoc.org.sg ; mocygn.mya@mptmail.net.mm ; philolympic@smartbro.net ; qnoc@olympic.qa ; nocpakistan@hotmail.com ; olympic@wlink.com.np ; info@joc.jo ; olymp@nursat.kz ; noc@olympic.mn ; omolco@omanTel.net.om ; koc@sports.or.kr ; info@kuwaitolympic.com ; info@olympic.kg ; olympicll@laopdr.com ; info@nocmaldives.org ; lebolymp@cyberia.net.lb ; nocmas@tm.net.my ; noc@macauolympic.org

I heard from my friends that the IFBB is threatening you and Mr. Chua about the Doping Documents and that they will report to the authorities in Hongkong and Singapore. Please DO NOT BE AFRAID...this has nothing to do with them. They lied and said that WADA require the documents. Write to WADA and they will tell you that IFBB is telling full of shits and lies.
1. There is a perjury case against Ms. Pamela Kagan and this is very serious matter because as I know that in Canada and USA, the person could go to jail.
Mr. Chua was not present and the IFBB minutes shows that he was present??
2. Tony Blinn himself tried to cover up and cheat the case on Doping to assist the Brazilian athlete, therefore, this is a proof that the "IFBB" is not an angel or a clean federation. They are cheats.
3. I also came to know that Qatar paid to "IFBB" a sum of US$3000.- for legal fees to draft the Hearing conducted by Adel Fahim.
4. In 2004 the IFBB set a precedent by accepting US$20,000.- from Qatar federation and reduced the suspensions on Kamal and Ali and you should show the letter to the authorities . Rafael and Pamela gave consent to reduce the suspension from 2 years to 8 months. Where did the money went to?
5. The "IFBB" was not registered in Canada or Spain under the association act but they were registered under the corporation "IFBB INC" and in Spain under the Spanish name as Business House. Only 4 peoples' name were registered under the Business corporation which includes Rafael, William
Tieryney, Jose and one more person. This is the biggest JOKE, how can four people own the "IFBB" This is to cheat the national federations for sure. Till today, Rafael did not reply Axel Baeur's allegations, WHY? This is a disgrace. He knows the reason????
6. A company owned by Rafael Santonja has been settling all the IFBB invoices and this is to evade taxes in Spain. This must be reported to the authorities.
Mr. Chua have all the evidences and he should produce all these to the authorities and expose the dirty tactics of Rafael and his YES-MEN..
I have more news for you all soon.
Victor


- WFF-WBBF secretary service - 04-21-2009

OFICIALUMAS – kas skiria ir atleidžia IFBB prezidentus?
Šiandien gavome laišką iš Singapūro.
Tarptautinės IFBB federacijos vice prezidentas POLAS ČIUA prašo paviešinti dokumentą, liudijantį, kad 2007 metų kovo 19 d. PAMELA KAGAN savo pasirašytu dokumentu paskyrė į IFBB prezidento postą RAFAELĮ SANTOCHĄ, o tuo pačiu iš prezidento pareigų atleido BENĄ VEIDERĮ:

CHUA PAUL abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
VERY INTERESTING YOU SHOULD PUBLISH THIS IN YOUR WEBSITE


- WFF-WBBF secretary service - 04-21-2009

Šiandien gavome dar vieną laišką iš vyriausio IFBB finansininko.
Jis kaltina RAFAELĮ SANTOCHĄ nesilaikant IFBB konstitucijos, vienašališkai nušalinant ir skiriant žmones į vadovaujančius postus, ignoruojant IFBB finansininko pastabas ir prašymus atsiskaityti už finansinę veiklą.
Todėl finansininkas priverstas paviešinti RAFAELIO SANTOCHOS finansines aferas, kurioms vykdyti marionetėmis tarnauja įvairių šalių nacionalinės federacijos.
RAFAELIS SANTOCHA bijo ir vengia viešų pasisakymų ir visai nesiruošia pasiaiškinti ir atsiskaityti IFBB nariams už jo daromas teisines ir finansines nesąmones.


ifbbpro@rocketmail.com write:
Re: SINS OF RAFAEL AND HIS YES-MEN

Respected Sirs,
This year 2009 Rafael blundered and acted in a dictatorial manner and used his power of Article 20.1 mercilessly attacking and punishing federation and loyal members of the IFBB. We curse at this man for his unbecoming behaviour and unbecoming attitude. He will pay a price or members of his family may get the curse, he cannot escape God's wrath.
1. He cancelled the Championships in Dubai, U.A.E. this year by postal votes (actually it was unilateral) but he said that it was done by postal votes; Why because he will look like a toy compared to Mr. Osama the champion of bodybuilders for Asia.
2. For not communicating with Rafael, Datuk Paul Chua was removed as the Executive Assistant? This is the most stupid reason given.
3. He suspended Datuk Paul Chua the man who served loyally and faithfully to the late Ben Weider in Asia for over 38 years. He used the doping incidents of the Hongkong Bodybuilders as a pretext to remove him. I understand Chua does not care anymore about the IFBB, he will not associate with these dirty rats.
4. He suspended Mr. Simon Chan, the Chairman of the ABBF Judges' Committee by holding a special meeting with all his YES-MEN ?
5. He suspended ABBF and its Executive Members for not obeying Rafael the dictator. His Executive Assistant happily announced in Arabic about this decision but he does not know the back-lash of the Asians. They underestimated the Asians pride.
6. We guess the next head to roll will be Mr. Axel Bauer for boldly speaking and exposing Rafael's crooked ways and the IFBB Corporation and their business empire???
I urge ABBF not to be a member of the so called "IFBB SPAIN" operating under the business corporation. You should not support the IFBB because it has many dirt's to clear.
You should read the emails which I sent to you: Mr. Axel Bauer asked many questions about their accounts, registration number etc. etc. but Rafael did not respond. Why is he hiding and avoiding all the questions from Mr. Bauer?
IF THE IFBB IS CLEAN WHY NOT SUBMIT ALL THE INFORMATION AND CLEAR THE STORY OF SUSPICION ONCE AND FOR ALL.
Victor


- WFF-WBBF secretary service - 04-21-2009

Vienas Azijos IFBB vadovų SIMON CHAN SIU MAN parašė laišką IFBB vice prezidentui POLUI ČIUA.
Jis rašo, kad privati IFBB korporacija nesiskaito su nacionalinėmis federacijomis. RAFAELIS SANTOCHA elgiasi diktatoriškai ir priima sprendimus su niekuo nepasitaręs.
IFBB federacijoje netvarka ir chaosas, kas leidžia daryti nešvarius darbelius.

IFBB Asia Official SIMON CHAN SIU MAN has written a letter to the Vice President IFBB-International PAUL CHUA.
Re: Fw: JOKERS IN THE IFBB

The IFBB Corporation is doing exactly as what a business house does.
They do things at their whims and fancies.
NOW the great joker Adel Fahim claims as the FIRST VICE-PRESIDENT of the "IFBB" since when he was appointed to this position and who authorised him. He circulated a letter signing as the First V/P???? You can see clearly this power crazy man. He cannot even fit the shoes of Paul Chua. Albert Bushek or Philip Hope. This is the greatest insult to the other Vice-Presidents in the IFBB. If they can do what they like ...you will be the next VICTIM of their game.
PLEASE BE CAREFUL ..YOU MUST SAY YES TO THEM IF YOU SAY "NO" OUT YOU GO..THIS IS THEIR GAME.
UNDERSTAND that William Tierney was made as the Acting General-Secretary which means that Mr. Eric Weider must have resigned. Again this was not approved by the Congress. When William was appointed as the Asst. Secretary, this was tabled in Manama, Bahrain and this time, they care-to-hoot about the Member countries and their Executives and bull-dozed their way and appointed William.
VERY AMUSING and I was not surprised when I saw that Qatar will be hosting the 2009 World Championships. Two and Two = Four. Qatar is now a subject matter in the legal matters now pursued by the ABBF (Asian Bodybuilding and Fitness Federation). The arrogant and uncouth man Rafael does as he pleases and does not care about the world opinion. This is DICTATORSHIP and TYRANNY.
Why Qatar...because they will not allow PAUL CHUA, AXEL BAUER and many other man of principles to attend to speak. This is a tragedy and sad case for democracy .
Simon Chan Siu Man


- gelezinis_jonas - 04-21-2009

WFF secretary service Wrote:Vienas Azijos IFBB vadovų SIMON CHAN SIU MAN parašė laišką IFBB vice prezidentui POLUI ČIUA.
Jis rašo, kad privati IFBB korporacija nesiskaito su nacionalinėmis federacijomis. RAFAELIS SANTOCHA elgiasi diktatoriškai ir priima sprendimus su niekuo nepasitaręs.
IFBB federacijoje netvarka ir chaosas, kas leidžia daryti nešvarius darbelius.

IFBB Asia Official SIMON CHAN SIU MAN has written a letter to the Vice President IFBB-International PAUL CHUA.
Re: Fw: JOKERS IN THE IFBB

The IFBB Corporation is doing exactly as what a business house does.
They do things at their whims and fancies.
NOW the great joker Adel Fahim claims as the FIRST VICE-PRESIDENT of the "IFBB" since when he was appointed to this position and who authorised him. He circulated a letter signing as the First V/P???? You can see clearly this power crazy man. He cannot even fit the shoes of Paul Chua. Albert Bushek or Philip Hope. This is the greatest insult to the other Vice-Presidents in the IFBB. If they can do what they like ...you will be the next VICTIM of their game.
PLEASE BE CAREFUL ..YOU MUST SAY YES TO THEM IF YOU SAY "NO" OUT YOU GO..THIS IS THEIR GAME.
UNDERSTAND that William Tierney was made as the Acting General-Secretary which means that Mr. Eric Weider must have resigned. Again this was not approved by the Congress. When William was appointed as the Asst. Secretary, this was tabled in Manama, Bahrain and this time, they care-to-hoot about the Member countries and their Executives and bull-dozed their way and appointed William.
VERY AMUSING and I was not surprised when I saw that Qatar will be hosting the 2009 World Championships. Two and Two = Four. Qatar is now a subject matter in the legal matters now pursued by the ABBF (Asian Bodybuilding and Fitness Federation). The arrogant and uncouth man Rafael does as he pleases and does not care about the world opinion. This is DICTATORSHIP and TYRANNY.
Why Qatar...because they will not allow PAUL CHUA, AXEL BAUER and many other man of principles to attend to speak. This is a tragedy and sad case for democracy .
Simon Chan Siu Man

kasdien vis graziau :twisted:


- WFF-WBBF secretary service - 04-22-2009

INFORMACIJA
Šiandien Kuala Lampūre (Malaizija) vyksta Azijos šalių ir eilės Arabų pasaulio valstybių tarptautinis kongresas (dalyvauja apie 40 šalių).
Dienotvarkėje:
1. Dabartinė situacija IFBB federacijose-korporacijose
2. Bendradarbiavimo (susiliejimo) keliai su Pasauline WFF-WBBF federacija.
Daugiau informacijos pateiksime greitai.



- Penelope - 04-23-2009

WFF secretary service Wrote:INFORMACIJA
Šiandien Kuala Lampūre (Malaizija) vyksta Azijos šalių ir eilės Arabų pasaulio valstybių tarptautinis kongresas (dalyvauja apie 40 šalių).
Dienotvarkėje:
1. Dabartinė situacija IFBB federacijose-korporacijose
2. Bendradarbiavimo (susiliejimo) keliai su Pasauline WFF-WBBF federacija.
Daugiau informacijos pateiksime greitai.

cia tai bent...


- WFF-WBBF secretary service - 04-23-2009

Šiandien gavome dar vieną laišką iš patriotiškai nusiteikusio oficialaus IFBB atstovo.
Jis prašo maksimaliai paviešinti IFBB reikalus, nes „Vakaruose“ juridinis melas yra sunkus nusikaltimas.

Ifbb Professional wrote:
juliettebergmann@planet.nl
com@worldgames-iwga.org
brunocneto@yahoo.com.br
andre.wouters1@scarlet.be
peichi@worldgames2009.tw
ifbbmauritius@yahoo.com
padroinfo@ono.com
abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg
ifbbpro@rocketmail.com

Sir,
I suggest that you send all the documents on perjury and cheating cases and the letters from Mr. Axel about Pamela, Rafael and his associates to the following authorities: Interpol and Justice Department in Madrid and Montreal.
For sure they will be hauled up.
PERJURY is a serious offence in the West.
I will forward you the names of the person incharge and the addresses as well.
You guys are soft and must HIT them hard and do it immediately.
Victor


- WFF-WBBF secretary service - 04-24-2009

Šiandien gavome dar vieną laišką iš Singapūro, kurį prašoma paviešinti WFF-WBBF forume.
IFBB vice prezidentas POLAS ČIUA laiške RAFAELIUI SANTOCHAI aprašo eilinius nešvarius RAFAELIO žaidimus, taikant sankcijas už dopingo naudojimą IFBB:


Today we received one more letter to publish in the Forum from the IFBB-International Vice President PAUL CHUA <abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg>:

From: baba madhok <babamadhok@gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: LETTER TO RAFAEL SANTONJA
To: internacional@santonja.com, osama@alshafar.ae, ifbbeurope@yahoo.com, p.filleborn@neostrada.pl, albert@busek.de, dubinin@fbfr.ru, wanda.tierney@ukonline.co.uk, abbfasia@yahoo.com..sg, spbbf@slingshot.co.nz, pkagan@ifbbprofessionalleague.com, tblinn@ifbbpro.com, efbb@tedata.net, eg@yahoo.com, ifbbcaribbean@msn.com, aquilesdecesare@hotmail.com, pcgraham@ozemail.com.au, bettomondello@libero.it, christina_weider@yahoo.com
Cc: "babamadhok" <babamadhok@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 6:01 PM

LETTER TO RAFAEL SANTONJA

Dear IFBB Executive Members & ABBF Executive Members:
I am appalled and surprised that Rafael Santonja can forgive Qatar Weightlifting and Bodybuilding Federation in lifting their suspension for FORGERY of DOPING DOCUMENTS which is a criminal offence in the eye of the law and instead targeting the ABBF and Mr. Paul Chua for the doping incidents of 2005 which the late Ben Weider was in charge of this matter together with his staff in Montreal, Canada.
I am aware that all doping results were sent directly to the IFBB Headquarters and not to ABBF. Why the IFBB does not keep all these records and why only now the IFBB under the president-ship of Rafael Santonja who is having a personal conflict and personalty clash with Paul Chua is asking for all these papers after a period of 4 long years. Surely IFBB as a responsible organisation will keep the records of all doping matters and suspensions? Why they are shifting this responsibility to the ABBF?
I smell something fishy?
I was shocked that Rafael appointed the General-Secretary of Qatar W/Lifting and Bodybuilding Federation Mr. Ibrahim Kafood to head the IFBB Commission for Asia? How can he do this when there is a legal case being pursued by the ABBF on the Qatar matter through their lawyers in London against the lifting of the suspension on Qatar.
I think Rafael should stop "double-standard" practises and be honest and straight-forward to all the the nations instead of beating around the bush and asking his Acting General-Secretary William Tierney to write letters here and there to disrupt the great harmony of the Asian Bodybuilding and Fitness Federation.
Thank you
Baba Madhok


- Sonata - 04-24-2009

WFF secretary service Wrote:Šiandien gavome dar vieną laišką iš Singapūro, kurį prašoma paviešinti WFF-WBBF forume.
IFBB vice prezidentas POLAS ČIUA laiške RAFAELIUI SANTOCHAI aprašo eilinius nešvarius RAFAELIO žaidimus, taikant sankcijas už dopingo naudojimą IFBB:


Today we received one more letter to publish in the Forum from the IFBB-International Vice President PAUL CHUA <abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg>:

From: baba madhok <babamadhok@gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: LETTER TO RAFAEL SANTONJA
To: internacional@santonja.com, osama@alshafar.ae, ifbbeurope@yahoo.com, p.filleborn@neostrada.pl, albert@busek.de, dubinin@fbfr.ru, wanda.tierney@ukonline.co.uk, abbfasia@yahoo.com..sg, spbbf@slingshot.co.nz, pkagan@ifbbprofessionalleague.com, tblinn@ifbbpro.com, efbb@tedata.net, eg@yahoo.com, ifbbcaribbean@msn.com, aquilesdecesare@hotmail.com, pcgraham@ozemail.com.au, bettomondello@libero.it, christina_weider@yahoo.com
Cc: "babamadhok" <babamadhok@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 6:01 PM

LETTER TO RAFAEL SANTONJA

Dear IFBB Executive Members & ABBF Executive Members:
I am appalled and surprised that Rafael Santonja can forgive Qatar Weightlifting and Bodybuilding Federation in lifting their suspension for FORGERY of DOPING DOCUMENTS which is a criminal offence in the eye of the law and instead targeting the ABBF and Mr. Paul Chua for the doping incidents of 2005 which the late Ben Weider was in charge of this matter together with his staff in Montreal, Canada.
I am aware that all doping results were sent directly to the IFBB Headquarters and not to ABBF. Why the IFBB does not keep all these records and why only now the IFBB under the president-ship of Rafael Santonja who is having a personal conflict and personalty clash with Paul Chua is asking for all these papers after a period of 4 long years. Surely IFBB as a responsible organisation will keep the records of all doping matters and suspensions? Why they are shifting this responsibility to the ABBF?
I smell something fishy?
I was shocked that Rafael appointed the General-Secretary of Qatar W/Lifting and Bodybuilding Federation Mr. Ibrahim Kafood to head the IFBB Commission for Asia? How can he do this when there is a legal case being pursued by the ABBF on the Qatar matter through their lawyers in London against the lifting of the suspension on Qatar.
I think Rafael should stop "double-standard" practises and be honest and straight-forward to all the the nations instead of beating around the bush and asking his Acting General-Secretary William Tierney to write letters here and there to disrupt the great harmony of the Asian Bodybuilding and Fitness Federation.
Thank you
Baba Madhok

:roll:


- WFF-WBBF Headquarters Int - 04-25-2009

Neseniai gavome laišką iš Singapūro.
IFBB vice prezidentas POLAS ČIUA rašo, kad 25 Azijos kontinento šalys pasirengusios tapti Pasaulinės WFF-WBBF federacijos narėmis:


We received a letter from Singapore.
Vice President IFBB-International CHUA PAUL <abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:

WBBF'S CO-OPERATION WITH ABBF FOR HARMONY AND PEACE

Dear Edmundas
About 25 Asian countries would like to join your federation and we need to know about your Constitution and Bylaws urgently. We have an Emergency Meeting from 21 - 23 April, 2009 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
Please get back to me urgently before this date.
Thank you,
Your friend,
Paul Chua