12-08-2006, 06:37 PM
Здесь на форуме много разных высказываний и писем о разных федерациях.
Ещё недавно основатель и долголетний президент ВАББА СЕРЖ НУБРЕТ собирался сотрудничать с международной ВФФ.
Многим будет интересно узнать позицию ВФФ по отношению к Сержу и им руководимой неофициальной и нигде не регистрированной спортивной организации ВАББА.
Юридически ни ВАББА, ни НАББА и большинство подобных оргиназиций не существуют. Да и ИФББ с этой точки зрения держится только на "добром слове", не более.
Dear Michael,
Here are my short answers to Serge Nubret questions.
NUBRET:
Why on the website of WFF, when they show the World Championship only name of eastern europe countries came out, no American, no french, no one country else, when they pretend that all these counties are affialiated to theme.
WFF ANSWER:
Today WFF-International has 83 country-members. Some are more active, some less.
There were 34 countries participating at last WFF World Championship (2006).
WFF is a social no profit seeking International Sport Organization and it takes NO FEES from country-members.
WFF is the OFFICIAL organization. It has full registration by law. It can not play games as other unregistered and not official organizations do (WABBA, NABBA, IBFA etc.) because WFF communicates with Governments, Parliaments, Olympic Committees of different countries. Other federations NEVER did it as they are not official.
All East Europe countries have official registered by law national federations. This is a MUST in our countries. Nearly all Western countries have NO OFFICIAL registered federations. They use to call groups of private persons "federation", but according the law it is incorrect and have no value by law. A group of private persons can not be a federation as it has nothing official: Registration Certificate, stamp, book-keeping etc. They only call themselves "federation" but in real life they are not.
The work of a registered federation and a group of friends is different. The status of them is different too.
NUBRET:
WFF price money for the PROS is only 20 000$ whe the IFBB price money is WHAT ?....So which kind of Pros will join WFF for so litle money ?...When you know how much these Pros spend to get ready for a show.
WFF ANSWER:
WFF is not figthting with IFBB and we do not want to overcome IFBB. WFF just goes it's own way. WFF is not aiming to buy IFBB Pros (As Vince Mac Machon did it once). Anyway WFF is open to all of them.
Some ideas to think over and You will see the answer on the Serge's question about Pro's Prize Money:
IFBB
Joe Weider (as many others) is businessman. Was Joe Weider so naive to throw so big money at "Olympias" each time? My pupil Natalia Murnikoviene two times won 3 place in "Olympias" and every time it was not so easy to receive even 10 000 USD (though she received a money-check).
My idea is that they only declare in public big money and nothing more.
Is anybody of "Olympia" winners very rich? A Millionaire?
ARNOLD CLASSIC
The same happened with "Arnold Classic". Lithuanian strongman SAVICKAS has won "Arnold Classic" three times in a row. Two years Arnold received from sponsors Jeep "Hammer" cars (100 000 US dollars value). Two tmes SAVICKAS got a "Hammer" as a prize. In 2006 sponsors gave no expensive cars for "Arnold Classic" and SAVICKAS received only 10 000 USD. Even Arnold never throws his money away so easy.
WABBA
A few years ago (I think 2001 or 2002 Serge still was the President of WABBA) there was Amateur and Pro Europe of WABBA. It was declared 30 000 US dollars prize money. The Pros received money-checks at the contest but next day all of them learned that the checks are of no value - there was no money to cover them. That was one of the reasons that Serge in not in WABBA anymore.
NABBA UK "Universe"
During the last few years only a few Pro competitors are present. The champion receives only 2 000 pounds... NABBA UK pays only first 3 places. At the same time there were a few NABBA Pro "Universe" contests with only one Pro competitor present.
De Milia
Being in Europe in 2004 Wayne has spoken over millions of dollars for his Pros. This year he has only 20 000 US dollars prize money...
Resume:
WFF already holds two Pro Shows with 20 000 US dollars every year. WFF is going to have more Pro Shows next year.
So What is the question of Serge Nubret? Again his dreams? He told You he has been dreaming all his life about some certain things. He is still dreaming.
Sorry, but we can not let us to be dreamers. We have future plans, but they are more or less REAL.
I am very sorry for my open answers but You are to know my position.
Edmundas Daubaras
Ещё недавно основатель и долголетний президент ВАББА СЕРЖ НУБРЕТ собирался сотрудничать с международной ВФФ.
Многим будет интересно узнать позицию ВФФ по отношению к Сержу и им руководимой неофициальной и нигде не регистрированной спортивной организации ВАББА.
Юридически ни ВАББА, ни НАББА и большинство подобных оргиназиций не существуют. Да и ИФББ с этой точки зрения держится только на "добром слове", не более.
Dear Michael,
Here are my short answers to Serge Nubret questions.
NUBRET:
Why on the website of WFF, when they show the World Championship only name of eastern europe countries came out, no American, no french, no one country else, when they pretend that all these counties are affialiated to theme.
WFF ANSWER:
Today WFF-International has 83 country-members. Some are more active, some less.
There were 34 countries participating at last WFF World Championship (2006).
WFF is a social no profit seeking International Sport Organization and it takes NO FEES from country-members.
WFF is the OFFICIAL organization. It has full registration by law. It can not play games as other unregistered and not official organizations do (WABBA, NABBA, IBFA etc.) because WFF communicates with Governments, Parliaments, Olympic Committees of different countries. Other federations NEVER did it as they are not official.
All East Europe countries have official registered by law national federations. This is a MUST in our countries. Nearly all Western countries have NO OFFICIAL registered federations. They use to call groups of private persons "federation", but according the law it is incorrect and have no value by law. A group of private persons can not be a federation as it has nothing official: Registration Certificate, stamp, book-keeping etc. They only call themselves "federation" but in real life they are not.
The work of a registered federation and a group of friends is different. The status of them is different too.
NUBRET:
WFF price money for the PROS is only 20 000$ whe the IFBB price money is WHAT ?....So which kind of Pros will join WFF for so litle money ?...When you know how much these Pros spend to get ready for a show.
WFF ANSWER:
WFF is not figthting with IFBB and we do not want to overcome IFBB. WFF just goes it's own way. WFF is not aiming to buy IFBB Pros (As Vince Mac Machon did it once). Anyway WFF is open to all of them.
Some ideas to think over and You will see the answer on the Serge's question about Pro's Prize Money:
IFBB
Joe Weider (as many others) is businessman. Was Joe Weider so naive to throw so big money at "Olympias" each time? My pupil Natalia Murnikoviene two times won 3 place in "Olympias" and every time it was not so easy to receive even 10 000 USD (though she received a money-check).
My idea is that they only declare in public big money and nothing more.
Is anybody of "Olympia" winners very rich? A Millionaire?
ARNOLD CLASSIC
The same happened with "Arnold Classic". Lithuanian strongman SAVICKAS has won "Arnold Classic" three times in a row. Two years Arnold received from sponsors Jeep "Hammer" cars (100 000 US dollars value). Two tmes SAVICKAS got a "Hammer" as a prize. In 2006 sponsors gave no expensive cars for "Arnold Classic" and SAVICKAS received only 10 000 USD. Even Arnold never throws his money away so easy.
WABBA
A few years ago (I think 2001 or 2002 Serge still was the President of WABBA) there was Amateur and Pro Europe of WABBA. It was declared 30 000 US dollars prize money. The Pros received money-checks at the contest but next day all of them learned that the checks are of no value - there was no money to cover them. That was one of the reasons that Serge in not in WABBA anymore.
NABBA UK "Universe"
During the last few years only a few Pro competitors are present. The champion receives only 2 000 pounds... NABBA UK pays only first 3 places. At the same time there were a few NABBA Pro "Universe" contests with only one Pro competitor present.
De Milia
Being in Europe in 2004 Wayne has spoken over millions of dollars for his Pros. This year he has only 20 000 US dollars prize money...
Resume:
WFF already holds two Pro Shows with 20 000 US dollars every year. WFF is going to have more Pro Shows next year.
So What is the question of Serge Nubret? Again his dreams? He told You he has been dreaming all his life about some certain things. He is still dreaming.
Sorry, but we can not let us to be dreamers. We have future plans, but they are more or less REAL.
I am very sorry for my open answers but You are to know my position.
Edmundas Daubaras